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clutch chatter

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by John O, Jul 13, 2009.

  1. Jul 13, 2009
    John O

    John O Member

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    Have this issue and its driving me nuts.
    65 CJ5 4.3V6-T90-D18 Stock F&R axles AA chain clutch linkage Warn OD.

    When its cold, everything is fine. Starting off in first is smooth and normal. After driving around 15 min or so it develops some chatter as you engage the clutch and start rolling. It gets worse and after another 15-20 min or so its real annoying to the point you don't want to stop.
    But shift into OD and it pulls away smooth in first even if it was real bad out of OD. But I think I started to feel a little while it was in OD today.
    If you stand on the brake or put on the parking brake and let out the clutch its ok until you start to roll a bit then it shakes.
    I replaced the pressure plate last year for this reason and examined the clutch. The issue has not changed.
    Any suggestions. This is the one issue that keeps me from driving my CJ more than just trips around town.
     
  2. Jul 13, 2009
    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Motor and trans. mounts ok?
    Anti chatter (or whatever it's called) cable from the x member to the trans intact and tight?
     
  3. Jul 13, 2009
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    I'm thinking disc/pressure palte problem still.
    You changed the p/plate, but not the disc ?
    could the springs inside the disc be weak/broken ?
    besides the obvious of good, clean, flywheel surface, there isn't much left that could be causing the problem.
    curious: is the p/plate diaphram type, or finger ? just curious, shouldn't matter.
     
  4. Jul 13, 2009
    Patrick

    Patrick Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I mention this because I went without when I put the T18 in. A month or so ago I put a poly mount in, and was getting a little bit of chatter. I re installed the cable, and the chatter is gone.
     
  5. Jul 13, 2009
    jpflat2a

    jpflat2a what's that noise?

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    yes, that can make a difference.
    I've never had to install one on mine as I've had no problems.
    diaphram with 1 piece cable
     
  6. Jul 13, 2009
    cj6/442

    cj6/442 Sponsor

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    jim,you gave yourself a trashcan!!!! haha now thats funny too.........
     
  7. Jul 13, 2009
    Daryl

    Daryl Sponsor

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    x2 on the trans mount, just had one that looked just fine but was in two pieces when I pulled it out. Solved all the chatter. 71 with t14 behind 225
     
  8. Jul 13, 2009
    John O

    John O Member

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    No chatter cable
    Diaphram pressure plate.

    I pulled it apart after about 1-2K mi after putting it all together with new parts. New PP. new disk, resurfaced flywheel, new TO bearing and all that. At that time, I still had the swirl marks on the flywheel, the disk looked brand new and I checked thickness all around. the PP diaphram fingers looked a little uneven so I replaced it.
    I don't think I've put 3K mi on it since I put it together 4 yrs ago!
    Is it possible that the flywheel is warped even though it was resurfaced?

    I'll look at the mount and see if I still have that chatter cable still around.

    Thanks
     
  9. Jul 13, 2009
    OzFin

    OzFin Vintage Jeep Guy

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    Any chance you somehow got oil on the clutch disc?
     
  10. Jul 13, 2009
    Dandy

    Dandy Member 2024 Sponsor

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    I've never had a flywheel be untrue after being resufaced, but I have had both rotors and brake drums that were after being resufaced. The machine shop had a couple bad adaptors they using on the lathe.
     
  11. Jul 13, 2009
    John O

    John O Member

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    That was my original thought. But what about how is fine when cold? There is no indication of any slippage nor do I smell anything.
    I did wonder if oil from the transmission heated up and seeped out onto the surface.
     
  12. Jul 13, 2009
    kaiser_willys

    kaiser_willys Well-Known Member

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    long shot here. but i have had this problem in the past and may be talking greek to some of yall, did they do a fine cut on the flywheel the last pass on the milling machine? fine cut= smooth slow cut, if not there is your problem, it is not smooth enough, its straight but not smooth, if that makes any sense to you, the rough cut will get it straight, but it is not smooth
     
  13. Jul 13, 2009
    John O

    John O Member

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    I think I know what you're saying but only as it relates to resurfacing brake drums. I can go either fine or rough, but I would think the rough would make it grabbier and wear the disk quicker.
    Anyways, it seemed smooth to me but I don't know how fine or rough the flywheels can be. And again, wouldn't that happen when its cold?
     
  14. Jul 14, 2009
    lynn

    lynn Time machine / Early CJ5 HR Rep Staff Member

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    Hi John, long time no see :tea:

    I ran the AA chain clutch in the '71 with a Centerforce I clutch and PP. Most of the time it was OK, but whenever it was damp/rainy or for weeks after offroading in wet environment, there was no way to "feather" the clutch for a smooth start. No matter how slowly I released the pedal, it was nothing-nothing-nothing-LAUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!! And when it wasn't a launch, it was hard chatter.
    It was never like that with the long factory cable; it started sometime after I installed the AA set up.
    My '71 didn't have the anti-chatter cable. The torque mount on the D18 was never tied to the frame. I did eventually tie it in, with sufficient rubber cushioning. IIRC it helped a bit, but never really fixed it.
    I think it's in the AA set up.

    HTH, good luck, keep us posted!
     
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