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10 Inch Rear Brakes Question

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by ardan, Mar 19, 2019.

  1. Mar 21, 2019
    FinoCJ

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    I think those are the 10" self adjusting brakes that came standard on the flanged d44 but you are missing the adjuster rods?..here is a pic of mine....may have to scroll down a few posts...
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  2. Mar 21, 2019
    ardan

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    Yes it has the L134 engine, I don't know about the gears yet have not got that far. Before we started taking it apart we had the engine running good but the clutch was fried so I have never really driven it. Just pulled the back axle yesterday and hope to start working on it next week. I will have to do some reading on how to identify the gears....
     
  3. Mar 21, 2019
    ardan

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    Hi Fino, After looking at your pics it looks like you may be right. I will have to try to find a supplier for the adjuster rods, maybe I can add them back......
     
  4. Mar 31, 2019
    ardan

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    Hi All,

    I have cleaned everything up, got new pads and new springs (although I am using old springs for this test fit) and have come across a problem that I hope you kind folks can help me with.

    Everything matches what I started with but the shoes pop up and then become misaligned. Am I missing something? I cannot figure this out.... Thanks for any suggestions..

    ardan

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  5. Mar 31, 2019
    Lee Bennett

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    Isn't the triangle shaped piece behind the springs asymetrical? Is it possibly upside down?
     
  6. Mar 31, 2019
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    springs don't go into holes in shoes . there are tabs inside of outer edge
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  7. Apr 1, 2019
    Rick Whitson

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    Welcome from Michigan, Ardan
     
  8. Apr 1, 2019
    ardan

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    Hi Twin,

    Yes that is what I thought. but I was try to match the original setup that I found when we removed the drums. After looking at your diagram I thinking it was wrong before. Thanks for the feed back I will try that when I get home tonight. I bet I have the wrong springs to....

    Thanks for the feedback!
     
  9. Apr 1, 2019
    Twin2

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    I knew I had a real picture , just couldn't find it last night . what it looked like with a blown wheel cylinder
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  10. Apr 1, 2019
    Lee Bennett

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    Thanks. Nice to be here
     
  11. Apr 1, 2019
    FinoCJ

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    Agree with Ron - looks like the springs are connected wrong in your set-up. Here is a pic of mine:
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  12. Apr 1, 2019
    ardan

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    Thanks Rick, Everyone has been so helpful on this forum.....Ardan...
     
  13. Apr 1, 2019
    ardan

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    I am going to do some changing when I get home tonight. Anyone know where I could order the adjusting rods/hardware for these brakes.... I believe the owner before me just left them out (guess cause he put the springs in wrong).... I have not been able to find a supplier yet...
     
  14. Apr 1, 2019
    Keys5a

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    From your photo in post#16, your 10" brakes are the earlier version that were manually adjusted with the starwheel. Many of the other posts show the later 10" brakes with self-adjusters that have the rods. Yours never had any of this later hardware. These later references are confusing you. Look at post #14. Those '67 brakes adjust by manually adjusting the starwheel. You need the 10" brake hardware from about 1965 through about 1967, before the self adjusting brakes came out. Your photo in post #16 shows all the correct hardware in place, except maybe an extra hold-down clip laying at the bottom. Also, your shoes look the same, front and back. Typically, one shoe will have a longer lining.
    -Donny
     
  15. Apr 1, 2019
    ardan

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    Thanks Donny, that is some good information. That is why the self adjusting rods are missing.... :)
     
  16. Apr 1, 2019
    FinoCJ

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    Donny - What is keying you into fact they are the non-adjusting brakes vs self-adjusting brakes? I think we jumped to the idea they would be self-adjusting as they are mounted on a flanged D44. Obviously, what a PO has done combining axles and brakes is always an uncertainty.
     
  17. Apr 1, 2019
    Alan28

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    Hello from France. Be patient it will work... I had a problem with my parking brake, central on the clutch. It is a 71 sort of. Too difficult for me to work on the brakes, I have a good pro shop, the owner uses to work on old cars. We ordered 10" shoes, all was cleaned and now all works perfectly.
    Maybe you can use the central parking brake, if no oil is leaking on it from the transfer case.
    I just can assure you that all the system works well, parking brake and road brakes.
    Of course you can get better, but there is a cost.
     
  18. Apr 1, 2019
    Keys5a

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    In ardan's photo in post #16, there is no self adjusting lever/linkage down by the starwheel assembly. His photo looks just like those on my '65 which are manual adjusted, only his springs are not located correctly. I'll bet 1967 CJ5a's (post #14) look just the same as post #16 too. There should be a leading and trailing shoe, though.
    Remember, this is a flanged D44 on a CJ3a, so who says they have to be the brakes that originally came on that axel? Like many of us, ardan's Jeep is a frankenstein with parts off many different years. The brakes are just as likely off a mid'60's model.
    -Donny
     
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  19. Apr 1, 2019
    FinoCJ

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    thanks!
     
  20. Apr 2, 2019
    ardan

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    Hi All,

    Thanks for all the help, you guys have been great and it is nice to have knowledgeable people to talk to. As was mention early I think my jeep is a "frankenstein" so I just have to do the best I can to get it to look/run decently again.

    I have been going over all the charts and pictures that have been posted and have tried everything I can think of. My last picture I posted (#24) I installed the springs the way they where when I took the drum off, in that configuration the shoes would "pop up"at the slightest touch. I then tried to put the springs on the little "tabs" like the chart in #26 and the picture in #29 and the springs just would not stay on.(look at the attached picture, is my tabs long enough?) This may be because the springs are the a little to long? I don't know...although tight it didn't seem as tight as they should be but it seems I have the correct springs. In my latest effort I tried some springs that went in the holes like the original configuration but had a straight part that bypassed the wheel cylinder and it seems to be holding a lot better. Problem is I know that isn't correct and I have no idea how it will behave whenever I get around to installing the rest of my brake system.

    Thanks again for all the help. I am going to move on to my next "problem" and come back the brakes once I finish a few other things, like the clutch.....lol......
     
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