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Solex Carb Theory, Tuning

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by GTS Dean, Feb 21, 2019.

  1. Mar 12, 2019
    GTS Dean

    GTS Dean New Member

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    I just finished verifying TDC, distributor rotor clocking, and points just starting to break @ near TDC. Motor will idle roughly down to about 1250, but no lower. Timing is around 10degrees - assuming I read the top side of the pointer. I have my dad's '63 CJ6 available and could pull the Carter carb off of it to try on this one. I cannot rule out bad gas, bad condenser, or bad coil. At least I have parts to swap.
     
  2. Mar 12, 2019
    PeteL

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    Or bad carb... idle circuit f'ed up?
     
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  3. Mar 12, 2019
    Glenn

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    Doesn't sound electrical to me at this point......I'd be trying another carb for sure.
     
  4. Mar 12, 2019
    GTS Dean

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    What started out as a carb thread circles back to carb issues on Page 2? Who'd-a thunk it?
     
  5. Mar 12, 2019
    PeteL

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    Not possible to diagnose or tune a carb until the ignition is within spec.
     
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    Glenn

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    Exactly!
     
  7. Mar 13, 2019
    GTS Dean

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    From the web:

    Trouble Starting
    If the condenser has been failing for a while, the contact points could be damaged from excessive sparking and it can become more difficult to get the car started and it won't run as smoothly. It may run smoother when the engine timing is advanced but will stutter when the timing is slowed down. While there are a number of different issues that could cause trouble starting the engine, when this happens in conjunction with the radio static and the engine sparking, the condenser likely needs to be replaced.

    3. Engine runs rough
    A failing points and condenser system can cause rough running, misfires, lean and rich conditions. If the engine is difficult to start, and runs rough once it does start, then it is time to contact a mechanic to have a look at the system and find out exactly what the problem is. It is better to have it replaced now than when you are in an emergency situation and your vehicle will not start.
     
  8. Mar 13, 2019
    Glenn

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    Given your description of the problem, and your description of your troubleshooting I'll still go with carburetor issues.
     
  9. Mar 13, 2019
    Glenn

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    The idling problem, to me is what points to carburetor trouble.
     
  10. Mar 13, 2019
    70cj5134f

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    Or a vac leak?
     
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    Glenn

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    I was thinking about that possibility too, but have also figured he's checked for that.
     
  12. Mar 13, 2019
    Alan28

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    Hello GTS Dean, welcome. I don't want to interfere in technical disucssion, but I had some problems with the engine long ago. I have a Solex carb. Cleaning the carb, accelerator pump, changing plugs, at the end turning the screms on the carb and then all was in order.
    Now, summer or winter, my Jeep works perfectly. Until tomorrow maybe, but I had years of great satisfaction. It is a small gentle Hurrica 4 cylinders, and I am happy with it. So keep faith, go to basic and it will work.
     
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    Glenn

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    I think I accidently deleted your last post, not even sure how. If your timing was quite a bit off it would idle higher and not run worth a crap, but you say the timing is correct which is why I say carb. Did you verify by looking in the cylinder as I suggested? Did you find the mark on the pulley?
     
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  14. Mar 13, 2019
    Glenn

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    5 BTDC is the bottom of the pointer.
     
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    70cj5134f

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    Mark on pulley needs verified ?
    Then I suggest trying a different carb, believe he said had access to one.
    Never did read where he did the wd40 vac leak test?
    I'm sure several feel, (I wish I had it in front of me).
    Might be time to start from scratch?
     
  16. Mar 13, 2019
    GTS Dean

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    Board Mods and their little magic wands. Never trust them! :lol:

    j/k!
     
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  17. Mar 13, 2019
    GTS Dean

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    Wednesday evening report:
    New condenser, new wires. No difference. I pulled spark plug wires while the timing light tach was hooked up. 1, 2 and 4 will come close to killing the engine when disconnected with the motor turning 1600 rpm. #3 cuts rpm by about 40-50. Spark is getting to the cylinder. Has to be pushrod, rocker arm or lifter adjustment. The hot cranking pressures are too close for a burnt or bent valve to be the cause. Fortunately, I have gaskets for both the adjuster covers.
     
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    Glenn

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    The clearances can't be off by very much otherwise it would be tapping like crazy.
     
  19. Mar 14, 2019
    70cj5134f

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    Glad to hear, it #3 causing the problem, u say it's getting fire,is it good blue fire?
    Hope u find a tight valve clearence, easy to fix.
     
  20. Mar 16, 2019
    Glenn

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    Any luck fixing or finding the problem?
     
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