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5.0 Sbf T19 Swap Into Ecj5

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by Broylz, Nov 27, 2016.

  1. Nov 27, 2016
    Broylz

    Broylz Member

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    Ok, i know i have bee somewhat all over the place in the recent past. that said, i have a deal in the works for a 1988 ford bronco with a 5.0 efi engine and a t19 swapped into it. im leaning on my wife prwtty good to let me swap it all into my cj5 but sinceits a daily driver, it is more difficult to be without for extended periods of time.

    That said, i would love to have a fuel injected 5.0 in my jeep. how would you guys go about his to make it as easy as possible? i know its not necessarily easy ...

    How long do you think the 27 will hold up? mild off road and hunting trails on 31s atm. have the flanged 30 spline d44 in the rear. long term goals would include narrow track wagoneer d44s frot and rear on 35 to 37s... even if i have to chop up a set of full width to get what i want.
     
  2. Nov 28, 2016
    ITLKSEZ

    ITLKSEZ Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

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  3. Nov 28, 2016
    Oldriginal86

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    Transfer case would be drivers side drop on the ford. Projects like an engine swap never go as planned unless the plan is to have the vehicle out of commission for an indefinite period of time. To make it go easier, obtain all the parts and tools that you think will be needed and then some. Set up the engine/trans/transfer case and record a lot of measurements. I feel this is a long term project not capable of being done correctly, safely and reliably in a week or even a month. My small block/automatic swap took better than a year working a couple evenings and most weekends. Some of that was my budget didn't allow the purchase of things needed to continue. Might be wise to buy a cheap daily driver and take the jeep off the road during the swap. I feel the Dana 27 will hold up well with the swap.
     
  4. Nov 28, 2016
    Rich M.

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    Doable, not a weekend swap though. You will also need a $500 adapter to mate your existing xfer case.

    Retain the whole Bronco. You can salvage the harness and computer but there is an enormous amount of wiring you will not use. Obtain a wiring diagram and you can flense it out or shortcut to an aftermarket harness.

    Fuel. You now need an electric pump, return lines etc. Exhaust you need to plumb in the sensors which can be fussy if not placed correctly.

    Your existing axles will hold up fine. The t19 is an awesome tranny. Plenty of conversion engine mounts or build your own.

    Research, plan plan plan. This can be an awesome power train if executed well. Assemble your parts, comb the builds here, spend time on the Novak and AA sites. Even at that you'll have punt situations and scope creep can really get you.

    I second considering an alternate vehicle. " a few weekends" quickly can become decades.
     
  5. Nov 28, 2016
    Broylz

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    Would a set of xj hp30 and d44 axles stand up to a 302? Possibly stretch the rear a few inches with xj springs but not enough to require a comp cut. these are plentiful and i could just as easily get the transmission adapter as i could the tcase adapter... plus a 5 speed and v8 will be more friendly at higher speeds.

    Now i get scope creep...
     
  6. Nov 28, 2016
    Rich M.

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    You need some soul searching. You have the sickness! Define your goals....
     
  7. Nov 29, 2016
    Welderr

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    You are probably going to want a car intake the truck one is probably 4 to 5 inches taller than the one out of a Crown Vic or Mustang etc. TJ
     
  8. Nov 29, 2016
    1960willyscj5

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    My question would be at this point: Is that the big Bronco, or the small Bronco. Ford was making both in that year
     
  9. Nov 29, 2016
    jeepermc

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    If it's the 5.0 then it's the big bronco. Unless someone swapped it into a small bronco.
     
  10. Nov 29, 2016
    Glenn

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    If you do all of that you have mentioned your Jeep won't be a daily driver any more. You will end up not liking it.
     
  11. Nov 30, 2016
    Broylz

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    it is a big bronco. its a 1988 that has had a t19 swapped in... ETA: i thought you meant first gen as little bronco but now realize there was a bronco ii at the same time.

    i am now thinking about building a 2x4 frame and build a rolling chassis to save the daily driver abilities as much as possible.

    and as far as not liking it daily, my daily drive is 3.5 miles each way to work and then play on the weekends. highway use is rare.

    thanks for the advice TJ. I am looking at an explorer gt40 style intake for it from a buddy already.

    and i know this has gotten much more out of hand in my head than what i ask here... :) i am starting to narrow down the goals though and thinking through options. trying to do what i want within the budget i have in my head is already impossible so its an internal argument at the moment.
     
  12. Nov 30, 2016
    Long&Low

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    If it was me, your 3.5 mile daily drive, doesn't really warrant that much of an driveline swap. Consider the down time, then double that. the big things are easy, its the little stuff that takes time in making right.

    As said above, what are your goals with the Jeep? I've seen this in some of the 4x4 clubs I have been in, each year their seems to be a race on upgrading the other members, eventually one builds a Jeep beyond what they want or need (the true illness), then they have something they don't like or want, frustration sets in and kabam, it'll start over again.

    I'm not trying to talk you out of this, but figure out your needs versus your wants.
     
  13. Nov 30, 2016
    Rralphs

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    T19 worked out well in mine. I did it the cheap way by using the output shaft from a scout T19 and the adapter from a Jeep T18 (with some machining for the different reverse idler shaft location). Older Fords have front oil pan sumps which made them harder to put in Jeep. Does the Bronco motor have a rear sump?
     
  14. Nov 30, 2016
    ITLKSEZ

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    A guy I used to wheel with ran a 5.0 in his 5. He used a Mustang World Class T-5 trans mixed with parts of a jeep T-5 and Dana 300. It worked incredibly well.
     
  15. Nov 30, 2016
    piffey263

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    BKD did a really nice build on a 5.0 in a cj6. It would give you an idea of the work involved. He used a t18, instead.

    Project...Kahuna 66 cj6


    If this was my daily driver I would honestly hold off and only do upgrades that would take minimal down time.


    What engine do you have now? What do you want to do? And what do you actually want?
     
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  16. Dec 1, 2016
    Broylz

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    Right now I have a 225 odd fire that runs fine for the most part. It has The t14 e speed with a Dana 18 tcase and flanged d44 rear. The only thing I really need to do is rebuild the front d27 or replace it. I would like to build a matching d44 for the front but know a narrow track 30 would be easier and fine for my driving and 33x10.50 tires I have planned.

    After calming down a bit and looking at my uses, I really just want to do an efi swap, either a v8 or 4.3 probably, add power disc brakes and power steering. Getting it geared differently through axles or transmission, I would like it to be able to cruise at maybe a bit higher speed. I don't have a tach but it feels like I'm pushing it hard at 65mph but that may be the older jeep as it is or whatever.

    The bronco came along at a deal I almost don't want to pass on. It would give me the power steering setup I want as well as the efi v8. I don't really need the power but the extra power to play with will be fun as well as add to the gas mileage because it will be a v8 in a lightweight vehicle.

    I've done the research on different transmission options just to realise my original hope for a 5 speed or auto is going to all but require a stretch like a cj6 which I no longer want to do.
     
  17. Dec 1, 2016
    andy howell

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    I have installed a SBF (289) into a Jeep, an M38. The SBF is a long engine compared to a SBC. I've done three Jeeps w/ SBC & 4.3s. Know 2 things: 1, use a water pump, damper, belts & pulleys from a Ford Mercruiser inboard outboard, they are shorter. 2- that T19 will bolt to a SBC bellhousing with a min of work. A later GM 4.3 Vortec slides right in & has the f/i you want & is a nice short package.
     
  18. Dec 1, 2016
    Broylz

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    If I go the gm route, there is a sm465 sitting in a buddy's shop waiting to be put back together...
     
  19. Dec 1, 2016
    Oldriginal86

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    If I go the gm route, there is a sm465 sitting in a buddy's shop waiting

    .......or the automatic that was on your list.
     
  20. Dec 2, 2016
    Norcal69

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    If it were me I would stick with the dauntless, install that t-19 and get an overdrive. For the fuel delivery, I would go with a MC2100 carb.
     
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