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What year is my Dauntless ?

Discussion in 'Early CJ5 and CJ6 Tech' started by tinpan, Jan 10, 2012.

  1. Jan 10, 2012
    tinpan

    tinpan New Member

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    Can anyone tell me how to determine the year of my Dauntless 225ci engine ? I need to order parts ! The PO said he thinks it's a 1969 , ( not sure ) . It has a block casting number of 1381623.
    Thanks , Dan
     
  2. Jan 10, 2012
    Warloch

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  3. Jan 10, 2012
    tinpan

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    Re: What yesr is my Dauntless ?

    Thanks Warloch,,
    That's perfect ! Now I can break it down , check it out and go from there .
    Dan
     
  4. Jan 13, 2012
    garage gnome

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    Re: What yesr is my Dauntless ?

    Ok, I just checked my engine out that I'm taking to the machine shop today. It doesn't match up to anything listed on that page.

    There is no casting number, just a "25" cast into the block in the location of where it should be.

    Where the date code is, it is stamped KM H like that.

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  5. Jan 13, 2012
    Zoomer

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    Re: What yesr is my Dauntless ?

    As far as the date code goes, the document Warloch referenced also says:

    225 V-6 engine id codes: Buick special 64-67 (1 and 2 bbl.)
    •1964 = KH [between branches of right exhaust manifold]
    •1965 = LH [engine number on the right front face of the crankcase, just below cylinder head]
    •1966 = MH [as '65 above]
    •1967 = NH [as '65 above]

    It also says:

    "In 1965, some Jeep V-6′s are listed as coded “KLH” (and maybe’64 or ’66 engines as well, still trying to research this)."

    Since the center letter is the year, and 1965 is likely "L" and 1967 is listed "N", I would suspect your "M" is 1966.
     
  6. Jun 18, 2012
    MightyMo

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  8. Jun 19, 2012
    MightyMo

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    Re: What yesr is my Dauntless ?

    Thanks Adam.
     
  9. Jun 19, 2012
    MightyMo

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    I compared my block casting with the database and can't find it. The casting number I am using in at the extreme rear of the block between the bell housing and the intake manifold.
    My block casting number is 1387629, while this doesn't match any numbers listed it does seem to be in the range that Kaiser-Jeeo /AMC.

    The intake manifold casting number matched the 2 barrel listing of 1378704

    I haven't cleaned the right side looking for the code stamped on the right front face of the crankcase, just below the rocker arm cover, between exhaust manifold ports,

    Any info of my block casting number of1387629?
     
  10. Jun 20, 2012
    groomer_guy

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    I just aquired a new to me spare 225 with a casting number of 1381623. The other link does nothing for me so I will have to try and search for another list of what numbers are what year. The PO said is was a 1968. This came out of a Jeepster.
     
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  11. Jun 20, 2012
    Warloch

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    Here is the info from the pages:
    [h=1]Jamie Carter's Jeep V6 Casting Numbers[/h]
    This reference is written and compiled by Jamie Carter and Adam Sparks.

    This page is maintained and updated by Adam Sparks.

    198 Casting numbers courtesy of Roger Tanuis.

    [HR][/HR]

    [h=2]198 V6 Numbers[/h]
    These numbers are by no means complete. If you have more
    numbers or information on 198's please
    email
    me
    .

    Located on the front of the block, drivers side, just below the head

    [h=4]Engine Number[/h]
    First Digit: Year


    • I -62
    • J -63

    Second through Fifth Digits: location cast and car serial number


    • 25104

    More on the engine numbers; a 6 with a bar over it ( 6 ) means a 6 cyl with a .010" oversize cylinder bore engine.


    All together the engine number would appear as follows: I625104

    [HR][/HR]

    [h=4]Casting Numbers: On the back of the motor at the top, casting numbers[/h]

    • GM 1349430

    [HR][/HR]

    Intake casting numbers:


    • 1851578-2

    "-2" Denotes a 2 barrel intake.

    Note on manifold numbers; this number is the only casting number I have seen
    for 198's, there may be others. If there are and you know of them please email
    me.


    [HR][/HR]

    [h=2]225 V-6 Numbers[/h]

    • 1358435
    • 1396736
    • 1381623
    • 1375162
    • 991503

    From my present info, these are all the 225 V-6 block casting numbers.

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    [h=4]Intake casting numbers:[/h]

    • 1 barrel : 1381552
    • 2 barrel : 1378704

    - there may be others...

    [HR][/HR]

    [h=4]225 v-6 engine id codes: Buick special 64-67 (1 and 2 bbl.)[/h]

    • 1964 = KH [between branches of right exhaust manifold]
    • 1965 = LH [engine number on the right front face of the crankcase, just
      below cylinder head]
    • 1966 = MH [as '65 above]
    • 1967 = NH [as '65 above]

    ...so the codes are either on the side or front of the block just under the
    cylinder head.

    (I have heard rumors of a few engines produced in '63).

    All are listed as 9.0-1 comp. ratio.

    The engine codes seem to indicate that the first letter is the engine year,
    while the second letter is the comp ratio (9.0-1). The two letters together
    identify this engine as a 225 V-6, as the same year letter was used by Buick for
    all engine types '64-'71 (v-6, v-8) but the second comp ratio code letter varied
    between different engine types with the same comp ratio (i.e., a '64 V-6 comp
    ratio 9.0-1 is a "KH", while a '64 300 V-8 comp ratio 9.0-1 is a "KL").

    [HR][/HR]

    [h=4]From "Service Manual Jeep Universal Series";[/h]
    "The engine code number shown in Fig A-4 is provided to identify the
    Dauntless V6-225 engine. The meaning of the coded letters and numbers that are
    stamped on the right front face of the crankcase, just below the rocker arm
    cover, between exhaust manifold ports, is given below:

    Letter to designate market:


    • M-Military
    • E-Export
    • D-Domestic

    Letter to designate year Built:


    • N-1967
    • P-1968
    • R-1969
    • S-1970
    • T-1971

    Letter to designate Engine Compression Ratio:


    • H-V6-225 9.0 to 1 C.R. (2bbl carb)
    • Y-V6-225 9.0 to 1 Marine (Low Profile) (2 bbl carb)
    • Z-V6-225 9.0 to1 Marine (High Profile) 2bbl carb
    • K V6-225 7.6 to 1 (2bbl carb)
    • L V6-225 7.4 to 1 (2bbl carb)

    The next three numbers are then the day of the year noted in the second
    position.

    [HR][/HR]

    In 1965, some Jeep V-6's are listed as coded "KLH" (and maybe'64 or '66
    engines as well, still trying to research this).

    Sometime '71 to '74 Buick bought the 225 V-6 back from AMC Jeep and rebored
    to 231 cu in. The engine stayed odd-fire until sometime in early or mid '77,
    when the engine was changed to even-fire by revising the crank throws (and other
    modifications). The odd-fire V-6 was gone forever.

    I have no info of Buick using the "new" V-6 in '74; first use seems to be in
    the '75 models. I haven't seen any info that shows these engines in production
    for '72, '73, or '74 (of any firing order or displacement). All Buick
    231 block casting numbers from my info begin with the numbers 124, 125, 126, or
    255
    .

    There are after market intake manifolds available for the 225 V-6. Two are
    the Weiand four barrel intake part #7541 and the Offenhauser 360. Even-fire 231
    intakes have been said to work if you use a '78 or older intake gasket. Be
    advised that a four-barrel upgrade may cost some low-end horsepower. Engine
    parts are said to be available from Kenne-Bell and Kanter Auto Parts, among
    others. Information on both companies is available via the internet.

    (last update 1-Aug-01). Information from various sources named and unnamed,
    some personal opinions are expressed. Not responsible for errors, as the weeding
    of the garden of knowledge to find the flower of truth is a never-ending quest.


    jdc. & ahs.
     
  12. Feb 26, 2015
    IRQVET

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    Thanks Warlock,

    I have a casting 1381623 & 1378704 and I could not find this info anywhere.

    Where did you find it?
     
  13. Feb 27, 2015
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  14. Feb 27, 2015
    Warloch

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    I have tools that allow me to capture web pages and store them... I kept some from my research times as I know they come and go.
     
  15. Feb 27, 2015
    IRQVET

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    Well thanks to the both of you.
     
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    Walt Couch

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    Tnx Tim. I have Warlock's on disk but not the one you posted. I knew it was somewhere but could not remember the name of the file. Tnx agn for posting.
     
  17. Oct 10, 2015
    Jester

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    I hate to drag this up again, but, it was either that or start another thread to confuse someone else tryin g to search this topic.
    My 225 is stamped DRH 001. So am I to understand that this engine was manufactured on Jan. 1st, 1969?
     
  18. Oct 11, 2015
    Warloch

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    That looks correct based on the numbers you show.
     
  19. Oct 12, 2015
    Jester

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    Cool. Thanks Warlock.
     
  20. Oct 27, 2015
    shaun

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    I have a few numbers but am confused on which ones I may need to find correct info on my CJ5 willy
    First is S# MD 72760
    my intake states its a 2 barrel V6 dauntless,
    but the title says 57548139868, have no idea where that came from at all and what the last numbers mean. I looked on the engine block and there are no ID tags, nothing else on firewall except the Willy labels with other numbers like 454GB219614. Could
    could use some help on what some of then numbers mean
     
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