Rims to clear Disc brakes.

[larrylunk]

I am going to preface this post with a statement. Yes, I did search previous post for wheels and rims and came back with thousands of hits. I converted my 71 commando to disk brakes and the original rims will not clear the calipers. I purchased from Discount tire some rims that will fit. The offset is wrong and to be honest they are ugly. I would like to go with a steel wheel that the original hub caps will fit. I have gone through the mountain of wheels at the local pull-a-part. What I am finding is the center whole is huge, to find a rim that has the large center hole to clear the front hub has a six or eight bolt pattern. So bottom line is does any one know a “stock” looking wheel with the standard off set, so the rear wheels don’t rub? Thanks.

[jayhawkclint]

Pretty much any aftermarket with sufficient backspace will work:
http://www.earlycj5.com/tech/brakes/diskSwap/disc_conversion.php

I used Eagle alloys on mine with a 3.75" backspace and they work fine. I highly recommend "Rimzone" on Ebay:
http://stores.ebay.com/RIMZONEONLINE

I've heard rumor that the stock M38/CJ 16" steel wheels will work if you want an OEM look.

[timgr]

What about rims from a '77-86 CJ? These had disk brakes. The center hole and bolt circle are right, and I think the same wheel was used on the '72-73 Commando. so it should fit under your fenders.

Somebody in CO should be able to help you out with sources or some factory intermediate-late CJ wheels.

[sparky]

What Tim said about the stock CJ wheels, I think they've been suggested in the past here before.

From experience the 16" wheels clear 11" drums, they may clear disk brakes.

[Warloch]

Larry - I have tons of wheels out in the 'storage yard' at the house. If you have some measurements, I could do some checking for you and see if we can come up with a match.

[lynn]

Ford Bronco wheels should fit as well, and should have about the right backspace. The early ones are probably just like the Jeep, bu the later ones, say 73 - 77 (or maybe even later) should be OK.

[larrylunk]

I would like the OEM look and a basic steel wheel nothing fancy. Thanks for all the info from everyone.The trip to the junkyard opened my eyes. there were many wheels with the right bolt pattern, bu the center hole is ~ 4.25 inches in diameter. Many of the ford rims seemed big enough but measuring the where small.
Thanks .

[Hurstjeepster]

I know 70s model 15-inch CJ Renegade "mag" wheels will work and were sometimes added on by dealers. Brian G.

[sparky]

I would like to go with a steel wheel that the original hub caps will fit.


I know 70s model 15-inch CJ Renegade "mag" wheels will work and were sometimes added on by dealers. Brian G.

I don't think the aluminum wheels fit this description. ;) But yes, you're right, they should clear the calipers.

[w3srl]

16" Jeep rims will NOT clear the GM calipers. AMHIK. :oops:

Tim is correct, you need the OEM rims from a 77-up CJ, since they cam ewith disk brakes from the factory. They are getting hard to find, but they can be had if you are willing to look for a while. I ended up paying I think about $75 bux for 5, btu they didn't all match exactly. I ended up with two matchign pairs and one oddball, but once the center caps are on you'll never know the difference. ;)

[jd7]

....scout also and some earlier dodge and ford, needs 4 1/4" center hole, I've used 5 on 5 1/2" ford wheels and turned the center to the right dimension on a lathe...

[sparky]

16" Jeep rims will NOT clear the GM calipers. AMHIK. :oops:

Tim is correct, you need the OEM rims from a 77-up CJ, since they cam ewith disk brakes from the factory. They are getting hard to find, but they can be had if you are willing to look for a while. I ended up paying I think about $75 bux for 5, btu they didn't all match exactly. I ended up with two matchign pairs and one oddball, but once the center caps are on you'll never know the difference. ;)

I need to get this in the tech section.

I've bookmarked this, now hopefully I won't forget.

I know we've discussed it before.

[mojerry]

If you find the 72 up steel wheels, and you want to run dog dish style caps, you will need the 72 up AMC caps, with the red and blue logo. Believe it or not, they are slightly smaller than the early red and gold, Kaiser era caps. The early caps will not fit the later wheels. I know it's a small detail, but could be very frustrating to learn, after you've polished and painted the wrong ones.

[jayhawkclint]

I need to get this in the tech section.

I've bookmarked this, now hopefully I won't forget.

I know we've discussed it before.

Here's for the tech pages:

I got Animal fever today; I wanted steel wheels on my '70 in a bad way. Ever since I first joined this site and laid eyes on that fine '63 (Grrrrr!!), I've wanted those wheels on my JEEP. I've purposefully kept the flares OFF the JEEP just waiting for this day. I know people have said they don't fit, but I thought maybe with a little grinding here and there I could get them to work. Well, they just plain don't fit. On the Chevy calipers, it is the pin that gets in the way. Can't really grind the head of the pin off or else you'd not be able to do maintenance. Fine, I thought, I'll just swap axles. Move over to the stock '77-'78 CJ D30 laying in the drive. The whole caliper hits. Just eyeballing it, I think it would be danger close to grind enough off the caliper to clear. I could be wrong, but I'm not going to chance a brand new set of calipers to find out. Both the chevy and the AMC hit in the same spots where the wheel rivets to the rim on the back side. Here's the pictorial:

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h89/jayhawkclint/1970%20CJ5/Restoration%20Winter%202006/HPIM1406.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h89/jayhawkclint/1970%20CJ5/Restoration%20Winter%202006/16inchWheelClearance.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h89/jayhawkclint/1970%20CJ5/Restoration%20Winter%202006/HPIM1410.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h89/jayhawkclint/1970%20CJ5/Restoration%20Winter%202006/AMC16inchWheelClearance.jpg

[commandolung]

I too share the love and need for a stock rim. Well I tried Stockton wheel they wanted over $250R). I said yeah right and went on with my project. Well three weeks ago I found a guy that does custom wheels. He will take a stocker and convert it to disc compatible in either 8 or 10 wide what ever you need. The only thing I will need to do is take a D30 with me and have hiim do the measurments. He also thinks he might be able to do them in 16. Im not sure about price yet but it will be under $200 powdercoated. Oh and there is a stock wheel out there that will work they are as hard to find as hens teeth.

[blevisay]

Here's for the tech pages:

I got Animal fever today; I wanted steel wheels on my '70 in a bad way. Ever since I first joined this site and laid eyes on that fine '63 (Grrrrr!!), I've wanted those wheels on my JEEP. I've purposefully kept the flares OFF the JEEP just waiting for this day. I know people have said they don't fit, but I thought maybe with a little grinding here and there I could get them to work. Well, they just plain don't fit. On the Chevy calipers, it is the pin that gets in the way. Can't really grind the head of the pin off or else you'd not be able to do maintenance. Fine, I thought, I'll just swap axles. Move over to the stock '77-'78 CJ D30 laying in the drive. The whole caliper hits. Just eyeballing it, I think it would be danger close to grind enough off the caliper to clear. I could be wrong, but I'm not going to chance a brand new set of calipers to find out. Both the chevy and the AMC hit in the same spots where the wheel rivets to the rim on the back side. Here's the pictorial:

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h89/jayhawkclint/1970%20CJ5/Restoration%20Winter%202006/HPIM1406.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h89/jayhawkclint/1970%20CJ5/Restoration%20Winter%202006/16inchWheelClearance.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h89/jayhawkclint/1970%20CJ5/Restoration%20Winter%202006/HPIM1410.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h89/jayhawkclint/1970%20CJ5/Restoration%20Winter%202006/AMC16inchWheelClearance.jpg

SWEEEEEET!

[sparky]

Oh and there is a stock wheel out there that will work they are as hard to find as hens teeth.

Well, what application are they from?

You can't just leave us hanging like this. :)

[commandolung]

Im asuming from CJs with disc fronts. They were on a buddies jeepster when he got it. Ive talked to J&W jeepwreckers they say they have a pile of stock rims but they have no clue if any are disc compatible.

[sparky]

Im asuming from CJs with disc fronts. They were on a buddies jeepster when he got it. Ive talked to J&W jeepwreckers they say they have a pile of stock rims but they have no clue if any are disc compatible.

Early 5's never came with disk brakes.

I thought you meant there was a stock application that worked with disk or 11" drums.

I already noted in my article that later CJ's that were equipped with disk brakes would work.

[Willys Motors]

The wheel you want is an X-45256 (national wheel and rim sales number) also known as KH 103599.
They are 15x8 steel, and are very scarce.

[commandolung]

Anyways, if I did this would there be much intrest in me having these wheels built. I have been talking with a company (not stockton wheel). If I did them my best estimate right now is that they will be arund $130+shipping per wheel. Thats powder coated black or white and will also be available in bare steel at $100. They can be either stock width or wider for off road applications. I also want to look in to having a 16 inch wheel made the would except the stock cap. All these are based around the gold and orange baby moon.

[windyhill]

I called Stockton wheel last week or so, and they can ship a set of 16" steelies (pick your width) to my door for $542.50 and I'm in pa. Or $107 each + shipping. I don't know how close to stock they look though. I would ideally like to find some one closer that could mod. my stock 16"'s to fit. :roll:

[Boyink]

I called Stockton wheel last week or so, and they can ship a set of 16" steelies (pick your width) to my door for $542.50 and I'm in pa. Or $107 each + shipping. I don't know how close to stock they look though. I would ideally like to find some one closer that could mod. my stock 16"'s to fit. :roll:

Close enough that only a very hard-core Jeep restorationist would notice the difference, IMHO.

[mojerry]

I contacted Stockton Wheel about doing a set of 16 in. wheels with the hub cap retaining bumps, for my 71 Commando, about 6 months ago. They told me, they could do wheels with the 5 1/2 in. bolt pattern, but could not get them with the required 2 1/4 in. center hole.

[brandon11130]

im using 77 jeep cj5 steel wheel's. they look just like the factory ones that early 5's came with but are an inch or 2 wider.

[trickpatrick]

I have my eye on 2 scouts with stock 16's on. In a wrecking yard.

I tried to read everything but still not sure would these fit over d30 disc's??

[jd7]

I have my eye on 2 scouts with stock 16's on. In a wrecking yard.

I tried to read everything but still not sure would these fit over d30 disc's??

....if they are from the sixties I have found these basically the same as 16" Jeep wheels 4 1/2 - 5 " wide I had a st from a '63 scout that I used on a flatty and worked well. Oh yeah they had rivets also.hth....

[jayhawkclint]

Oh and there is a stock wheel out there that will work they are as hard to find as hens teeth.

I just bought these wheels today. They supposedly came off of an '83 CJ7. Are these the elusive stock steel wheels that'll fit discs? Would like to know for sure before I pay a bunch of money to ship them.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h89/jayhawkclint/1970%20CJ5/DSC00307.jpg

[w3srl]

If they're truly off an '83 then you have hit a gold mine Clint. IIRC after 77 or so all the CJs had front discs, so those should fit. Grab 'em!

[jayhawkclint]

I guess I'd better clarify my question to include "Do you think they'll fit the Chevy caliper conversion?"

[w3srl]

Yes, that's what I had on mine. If anything, you *might* have to do some very minor grinding on the outer edge of the calipers for clearance, but these wheels are as good as it gets! :beer:

[RATTYFLATTY]

Ford Bronco wheels should fit as well, and should have about the right backspace. The early ones are probably just like the Jeep, bu the later ones, say 73 - 77 (or maybe even later) should be OK.

Bolt pattern is the same but the CJ lock out is to large for the the hole in the rim. You might want to look into some stock Scout rims that had disk brakes(73-80 I think). They had the same style lock out as the CJ.

[timgr]

Bolt pattern is the same but the CJ lock out is to large for the the hole in the rim. You might want to look into some stock Scout rims that had disk brakes(73-80 I think). They had the same style lock out as the CJ.

The Ford rims (Bronco or F-100) can be cut out to clear the hubs, but that leaves the web between the stud hole and the center rather thin. I have seen wide Jeep wheels made with cut-out Ford centers crack between a stud hole and the center hole. The Jeep rims will have a stamped radius around the center hole to reinforce the stud holes.

[jayhawkclint]

What about rims from a '77-86 CJ?

Well, they fit. Confirmation for the tech section. Here are a couple pics of the wheels loosely mounted over a D30 with 2-bolt calipers:
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h89/jayhawkclint/1970%20CJ5/DSCI0014.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h89/jayhawkclint/1970%20CJ5/DSCI0016.jpg

Hard to see in this pic, but along the inner center section where the early wheels are riveted, these are spot welded and don't have as much flange stamped into them. On the outer portion of the rim there is also more of a "dished" section where the early wheel sort of rolls uniformly from the center out to the bead:
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h89/jayhawkclint/1970%20CJ5/DSCI0013.jpg

For comparison purposes:
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h89/jayhawkclint/1970%20CJ5/Restoration%20Winter%202006/16inchWheelClearance.jpg