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Howard Eisenhauer
11-23-2003, 12:59 AM
Any experts here on these things?

I've got the bug to have one for the re-build on our CJ5. Any info/pictures/drawings/sources greatly appreaciated.

Thanks,

Howard.

Ppilotmike
11-23-2003, 11:35 AM
I'm not an expert but I think you are talking about a saffari windsheild. Some of the guys here have them and I think I resently saw one for sale can't remember where. Keep an eye on the for sale pages here and at willys tech site. Good luck with your resto Mike

kamel
11-23-2003, 12:22 PM
There are two parts that you need to make one. First is the inner windshield frame. The inner frame is the same as the CJ3B ventilating windshield frame, only it is longer.

I say this, because you may have to make an inner frame out pieces of rusty parts and the 3B may be more common than the cj5. Also I think they are still making the 3B ventilating frame in India and you could make one for a cj5 out of two for a 3B.

The second part is the gasket from the inner frame to the outer windshield frame. Same story as the inner windshield frame re cj3b

The rest of the parts, hinge, arms latches are all available for the cj2a.

The outer windshield frame is identical to the normal cj5 top mount windshield wiper frame. You will need the top mount frame that has four holes drilled with threaded inserts. These are located next to the defroster vents, two on each side. If you have them you will see them, they are obvious. If you have to search for them, then you don't have them. I've seen the threaded inserts on frames as late as 1966. There were a lot of frames made with the inserts that were not made into ventilating frames, but sold as normal frames.

If you need pictures of a ventilating windshield frame, I have an NOS ventilating frame (not for sale) and can send you some pictures if you want them.

kamel

schardein
11-23-2003, 05:10 PM
Just a note, my 1967 (late 1966?) w/s frame has the holes you mention. There was another thread about this awhile back, that is how I found out what they were for.

Howard Eisenhauer
11-23-2003, 10:03 PM
Kamel, just to clear up somthing here- Are you saying the outer frame is exactly the same as as the regular top mount wiper frame? The reason I ask is because other people have told me that its a distinct part & the (few, indistinct) pictures I've located on the web seem to show the wipers installled on the "ventilating setup" mounted to the top of the inner frame. I'm wondering if there were two different styles of these things produced.

I may have located an inner frame so I might decide to "roll my own" for the outer if I can make it look factory. I would definately appreaciate any photos of yours that you could post or email to me.

Thanks,

H.

Jeepnut67
11-24-2003, 01:26 PM
The normal "top wiper" WS frame does have all the holes that the safari WS needs, I've compared them when I first got my safari WS and was interested in buildng another one. The hardest part would be the inner frame and the channel hinge at the top. There are a few around, you might try contacting Willy's Works here in Tucson AZ, they might know of one or even have one on hand. After having this one I will never part with it, even if I sell the Jeep it is on.

kamel
11-24-2003, 05:37 PM
Any top mounted cj5/6 windshield frame could be a ventilating windshield frame. If the four holes don't exist then you'd have to drill and tap them somehow.

A top mounted frame with the holes I mentioned above was made at the factory as an 'either-or" frame meaning that if Jeep wanted to make it a ventilating frame they could.


The inner and seal are the two parts to have first. As far as the top hinge goes, you could use a 2A windshield hinge or something like it.

The original hinge on the vent windshield allowed for removal of the inner frame by sliding the inner to the side. The 2A wouldn't allow this.

All the other parts could be fabricated or 2A parts could be used.

Naturally the glass portion of the windshield would be smaller than a 'normal' frame, but that is the way the factory ones were.

If I sell the jeep that this windshield frame happens to be on, I will swap it out before putting it up for sale.


kamel

60CJ5
11-24-2003, 09:38 PM
I have some photos of mine in my web shots (www in my signiture). not any detailed but they will give the the general idea. If you need details, let me know and I will post some.

Jeepnut67
11-24-2003, 10:01 PM
I have some photos of mine in my web shots (www in my signiture). not any detailed but they will give the the general idea. If you need details, let me know and I will post some.

um.. am I blind????? I dont see a www in your signature! Too much :beer: :beer: :beer: ????

Howard Eisenhauer
11-24-2003, 11:39 PM
I have some photos of mine in my web shots (www in my signiture). not any detailed but they will give the the general idea. If you need details, let me know and I will post some.


Thanks! Clearest pictures I've seen so far, a few more details have become clear :).


If I can get that inner frame I heard about I'll definatey go for it, however it's missing the bottom channel, so here's tonight's questions:

Can anyone give me the cross-section of the inner frame channels & the gasket? Sources?


What does the hinge section on the outer frame look like? (Detailed photos appreaciated:))


Thanks again,


H.

60CJ5
11-25-2003, 10:26 AM
I will post some detail pictures tonight.

rocnrol
11-13-2004, 03:23 PM
diging up bones here by bringing up this post. i have a couple of these windshields that are factory. what i need the most for these is the seal that goes between the inner and the outer frame. i have been looking for years and all i can find is one for a 2a, which i dont think will work as the corners are molded perfectly square, where as on the 5 the corners are round.
help?

Kaiserjeeps
11-13-2004, 08:36 PM
Didn't someone make the gasket in Brazil? I printed the stuff out a year or so ago to contact them but never have. Suppose I probably should....

Howard Eisenhauer
11-13-2004, 10:00 PM
diging up bones here by bringing up this post. i have a couple of these windshields that are factory. what i need the most for these is the seal that goes between the inner and the outer frame. i have been looking for years and all i can find is one for a 2a, which i dont think will work as the corners are molded perfectly square, where as on the 5 the corners are round.
help?

Whoa! Talk about bringing back memories! I think that was my first post here :). F.E.'s I. I did finally get a NOS vent windshield off of EBay, & coincidently the CJ6 I just got (see "Magnificent" in the Garage Pics forum) has the remains of one as well. It still has pieces of the original gasket, given a piece of that to use as a cross section I wonder if it would be possible to get a batch made up? Somewheres on the net I've also seen supplies for casting rubber parts, but that would likely classify as "Another Project" :(.

Failing the real thing turning up I'll probably resort to making one out of neoprene, there's a guy up the street who builds dry suits for a living, he's got premo stuff :). Might glue some of that magnetic sign material to the back side to give it some grip to the outer frame.

If you do get a source on the real thing I'd appreaciate hearing about it.

H.

Boyink
11-13-2004, 10:42 PM
Nothing to add, just wanted to see my SSDutch and Tonka on the same thread...;)

rocnrol
11-14-2004, 12:54 AM
kaiserjeeps that would be great if you could :D :D

Howard Eisenhauer
11-18-2004, 12:24 AM
Nothing to add, just wanted to see my SSDutch and Tonka on the same thread...;)


There is a certain family resemblance :).

H.

SandhillMike
11-18-2004, 10:05 AM
Both Scott (60CJ5) and I have been looking for the gaskets (seals) and have not been able to find them. I'm taking mine to a glass shop to see if they can make one.

blevisay
11-18-2004, 12:41 PM
Thinking..........Dang it...I saw some gaskets someplace......

blevisay
11-18-2004, 12:47 PM
http://catalogs.google.com/catalogs?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&issue=22332&catpage=cover

That made my head hurt

blevisay
11-18-2004, 12:48 PM
http://www.steelrubber.com/

blevisay
11-18-2004, 12:57 PM
http://166.82.96.9/xframes.html

There you go........I knew I saw it.....

kamel
11-18-2004, 10:21 PM
I have two NOS weatherstrips for the ventilating windshield. I could send you a picture of them if you wish.

Unfortunately, they are committed to projects, and are not for sale but I would be happy to send a picture if anyone wants to see what they look like. It could make your search easier if you knew what you were looking for.

Briefly, they are a continuous loop and have a small tab protrusion on the inside that fits into the outside channel of the inner frame. The outer half of the weatherstrip looks something like you'd expect to see on the outside of your passenger or drivers side window on a late model automobile.

That outer rubber flange is held tight by the two latches on the inner of the frame.

Howard Eisenhauer
11-19-2004, 08:42 PM
Hey Folks, Have a look here-

http://www.restorationspecialties.com/

Go into their on-line catalog & under "Micellaneous Seals & Weatherstripping" have a look at items 2897A & 2897B. They don't give the dimensions, but if the drawings are to scale then compared to the 1/4" beading just below them then one of these just might be the Tickie :).

This looks like a great supplier for all kindsa stuff, I'm gonna get a catalog just fer fun :). While I'm ordering that I'll ask them about the dimensions-


H.

rocnrol
11-19-2004, 11:05 PM
i tell you what. that 2897b looks to me to be exactly what i guy needs!
howard if you get that info that will be GREAT :D :D