Use for the Original Gas Tank Outlet

[Boyink]

OK Guys...

I realized last night that I'll have the original gas tank outlet to deal with on SSDutch. On Dutch I just patched it over, but I'd like to find a more creative use for it.

Any ideas? The underseat space will be available as well.

[jtgroover]

Underseat Cooler, Box it in and Coat it with some sort of epoxy, Put a removable Drain Plug in it and Make the Fill Hole big enough for your hand and a Beer, Soda, Water, whatever your pleasure Put a cap on it and wheel

[Boyink]

Mm...a thought, but I don't want to modify the hole...

[John A. Shows]

Mount a hose reel for your air hose under the drivers seat. I think those hose reels have roller fairleads that are about the same size as the opening for the tank. Plumb the hoses from your air compressor to the hose reel. You get the picture?

Let me think a while...I like this.

[John A. Shows]

What about using a new clean tank as a water tank. It'd just be water for the radiator and such but still having a water tank in case of overheating would be pretty cool. You could probably install an electric fuel pump with an on/off swith to pump the water out of the tank.

[John A. Shows]

If you cut the opening out a bit bigger could you store a fire extinguisher in that hole?

[Boyink]

Mount a hose reel for your air hose under the drivers seat. I think those hose reels have roller fairleads that are about the same size as the opening for the tank. Plumb the hoses from your air compressor to the hose reel. You get the picture?

Let me think a while...I like this.

Already got two air outlets, I think I'm set there.

I was noodling the water tank idea.

[John A. Shows]

You could cut a piece of PVC pipe the size of the opening that would just fit inside the grommet. Cap both ends of it and slide it into the hole. You could keep spare tools inside the pipe. Or things like matches, and maps, a small flashlight or what not inside the pipe. When you needed something just pull out the pipe and unscrew the lid and empty the contents. Might even be able to store potable water inside this pipe.

[66cj5]

would make a tool box like the pass side has.

[Boyink]

would make a tool box like the pass side has.

I used to keep tools in Dutch under the seat, but I have more options in the 6 so can be a bit more creative with this space. Between the glove box, tool box, space in front of the wheelwell and the 15" behind the backseat I'll have enough places to stow tools and other small stuff.

I like the water tank idea best as it'd let me get that wieght off the tire carrier, and I could use the existing holes in the floor for a drain.

Here's one challenge - -the rollcage cuts across the opening a bit:

[m38willys]

I thought of moving my gas tank under the rear, for more room inside and more weight on the rear tires and always thought I would plumb the fillneck to it from the existing filler neck. That way it still looked stock and I didn't have to cut a hole in the rear body somewhere for a new filler. Water tank could be useful however as a storage tank, or even a small shower tank. With an electric pump you could have a shower for afterwards, or even water to clean off the windowshield etc.

[kamel]

How about putting a hinged cover over the hole with a combo lock on it.
Inside you could put keys, wallet, etc. You also could have some sort of disabling device that would either / and stop the jeep from starting or moving.

Naturally, you'd have to fabricate a small box of some sort to hold all this stuff...

[vanguard]

You get see about a filler plate from an intermediate body to block off that opening and open the space up a little. A compressed air tank would fit there nicely. On Betsy, since the fiberglass body didn't come with a toolbox, I picked up a metal drill motor box at Quality Farm and Fleet and bolted that to the floor for storage.

[speedbuggy]

Drink holder

[Boyink]

I don't really need an air tank, and have room under the body for one if I decide to go that route... There are other places in the rollcage where I can fit small storage places - between the seats, under the rear seat, etc.

I found a 6 gallon plastic water tank that would fit in that spot just about perfectly:
http://www.plastic-mart.com/class.php?item=482 Sold as a holding tank, but I think it'd work for fresh water too.

I definitely like the shower idea...with going back to tent camping that would be useful.

The gas fill could serve as the water inlet. Maybe even the water outlet, though getting that to the back where it would be close to the camp stove setup might be nice too.

Will noodle that some more....

[jd7]

would make a tool box like the pass side has.
I've thought that for a while. Been trying to figure a way could go all the way across I could keep a highlift in it. Maybe even have room to keep rifle in when going to hunting lease under lock. Just thought as of yet no actions.
Oh for the opening that could be an ashtray seems thats the natrual place your hand fall too anyway.

[speedbuggy]

You could mount a trash bag to it.

[Boyink]

Hmm...bow socket as a mount for a spigot or shower head...

[speedbuggy]

I got one for real this time...

Mount a power converter under the seat and wire in an outlet there. WHADAYATHINK?

[Boyink]

Yep - that's a good 'un...

[blevisay]

I got it............

[speedbuggy]

:?

[blevisay]

Cooler...............

[Boyink]

Yawning...spill it already before naptime...;)

[blevisay]

No a cooler........you know what one puts Beer in to keep drinkable........

[Boyink]

How does that use the gas tank outlet?

Plenty of ideas for the underseat space, I'm looking for a creative use for the outlet.

[vanguard]

Oh Oh Oh! Kegerator! Put a tap in the gas tank outlet! :shock:

[speedbuggy]

Oh Oh Oh! Kegerator! Put a tap in the gas tank outlet! :shock:
Brilliant!

I am ashamed that I did not think of that :oops:

[Boyink]

Continiung with the water tank idea....

How hard would it be to build a heat exchange for on-board hot water? Is it just a matter of wrapping some copper tubing (For the water) around a section of pipe with the engine coolant flowing through it?

[blevisay]

Continiung with the water tank idea....

How hard would it be to build a heat exchange for on-board hot water? Is it just a matter of wrapping some copper tubing (For the water) around a section of pipe with the engine coolant flowing through it?


Easy..........

[blevisay]

http://www.svhotwire.com/divert_loads.html

[blevisay]

http://www.boatelectric.com/ehe.htm

[Boyink]

$$?

[blevisay]

I know..........just getting idears

[Boyink]

I can buy an whole onboard shower setup for around $300....which includes the heat exchanger. I was hoping to find a low-buck way to build one. I know I've heard of guys doing it, but can't dig anything up on the web.

[69utjeeper]

Definatly think the shower idear is a good option!!!!

[53Flattie]

A good friend of mine built one. Small diameter copper tubing (1/2", maybe). Filled it with sand and wrapped it around a broom handle. Placed this inside a large copper pipe (2" maybe). Installed two barbed fittings in the 2" pipe for heater hoses. Plumbed in a small water pump from Northern Tool and Equipment, which will pull water from a pond or other source, or you can hook it up to a garden hose.

Pretty slick set-up. He's no plumber or anything either. Took a common-sense approach and built it. It's really cool (errr... hot!).

[Boyink]

Ah...so the engine water passes over the coils with the potable water in it. That makes sense.

So the engine water flows out the ends of the 2" tube, where does the 1/2" tube enter and exit? Through the sides of the 2"? Just soldered for a seal?

[Steamer]

Oh, Jeez! How come you guys make me ask all the really stoopid questions? Huh?

First off, you keep calling it the gas tank OUTLET. I'm all screwed up. I been puttin' gas IN the thing you call the outlet. At least going by the pix I see here, anyhow. No wonder I used to get such lousy mileage. Or is it because that thing leaks, too?

Secondly, if I was able to get the hang of the proper terminology of this quiz, why couldn't we just replumb the general area in dispute, and use it for, say, extra gas? I, well, my Jeep could use extra gas. I have plenty. Obviously.

[Boyink]

Ok, Inlet...:roll:. Unless your Jeep is leaning to the driver's side, in which case it's also an outlet....;)

No need for another gas tank -not only will the original one not fit due to the rollcage, I don't like having a gas tank in the cabin. Bad experiences there with leaks in the past.

Not sure how the 4.3 will be on gas once injected, but with the :v6: I never had a need for more fuel. Even on all-day trail runs I came back with 1/3 of a tank left.

[blevisay]

A heat exchanger is easy to make Mike.......is that what you want to know?

[Boyink]

How hard would it be to build a heat exchange for on-board hot water? Is it just a matter of wrapping some copper tubing (For the water) around a section of pipe with the engine coolant flowing through it?

:)

[blevisay]

thinking.......you could take soft copper tube and wrap it around the exhaust pipe,,,,,,easy and no coolant to leak.

[blevisay]

http://www.bio-power.co.uk/exchanger.htm

[blevisay]

http://yarchive.net/ac/heat_exchanger_make.html

[mb82]

mike i cant find the website i used to have that had how to build a heat exchanger but as i remember it went like this.

4" plastic tube about 18" long
1/2" copper pipe
run the copper pipe back and forth through the tube many times. have a small pump at the bottom of the tube and some way to pump water into the tube. that is about all i can remember from the site.

[blevisay]

http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/Shower.shtml#Installation

[blevisay]

http://www.overland.co.za/Photo_Albums/Graham_Bowring/Heat_Exchanger.doc

[blevisay]

http://www.helton.com.au/

[blevisay]

http://shop.helton.com.au/store/products/item14.inetstore

[Boyink]

http://shop.helton.com.au/store/products/item14.inetstore

Shipping would be killer.

[blevisay]

Shipping would be killer.


Maybe they have a distributor in the states......

[Boyink]

Do not drink water! These heat exchangers are designed for showers and washing, copper oxide is poisonous and water should not be consumed. (it's not hot enough for a good coffee)

:( :(

[jpflat2a]

TP, Kleenex, or shop rag dispenser

[speedbuggy]

I wonder if Billy would have some ideas on a heat exchanger?




























:D

[Boyink]

So are they saying you shouldn't drink water that runs through copper pipes? If I do this water tank thing I want the water to be drinkable.

Hmm...can you get 12V icemakers? :D

[speedbuggy]

So are they saying you shouldn't drink water that runs through copper pipes? If I do this water tank thing I want the water to be drinkable.

Hmm...can you get 12V icemakers? :D
See Mike, I like that idea. Couple that with the air powered blender, and you've got something ;)

[mb82]

See Mike, I like that idea. Couple that with the air powered blender, and you've got something ;)

make it so your blender mounts to the side of the jeep next to the dispenser and you would be set.

[$ sink]

retractable beer tap....Hmmmmmm... :D

[Patrick]

So are they saying you shouldn't drink water that runs through copper pipes? If I do this water tank thing I want the water to be drinkable.

Hmm...can you get 12V icemakers? :D
What about all of the millions of RV's built with copper plumbing??

[$ sink]

What about the millions of houses built with copper plumbing?

[blevisay]

So are they saying you shouldn't drink water that runs through copper pipes? If I do this water tank thing I want the water to be drinkable.

Hmm...can you get 12V icemakers? :D


http://www.actionafrica.com/te-systems.htm

[Boyink]

What about all of the millions of RV's built with copper plumbing??

That's what I don't quite get...not sure if that's what they're saying the copper oxide is from, but not sure where else it would be.

BTW Billy, $42 to ship from AU to MI.

African Ice Makers? Sheeshe...stay in the states now willya? ;)

[blevisay]

Actually I know a little about copper oxide....it is fored when copper is heated (that is why an ac tech runs nitrogen through a line while brazing it)

The only guess I have is due to high temperatures its formed with that system.....

[blevisay]

Thinking...........its BS......We use alot of Cuprious iodine at work........

[blevisay]

http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/2001/109p949-952pizarro/pizarro-full.html

[sleone]

Why would you want water when you could have beer!? Now that's a refreshing shower at the end of the day ;)

[53Flattie]

Ah...so the engine water passes over the coils with the potable water in it. That makes sense.

So the engine water flows out the ends of the 2" tube, where does the 1/2" tube enter and exit? Through the sides of the 2"? Just soldered for a seal?

The 2" tube has barbed fittings soldered into the sides (but close the ends). The heater hoses are attached here to circulate the hot water over the inner coil.

I can't exactly remember how he got the inner coil to pass through the 2" tube without leaking....

If you're seriously interested in making one, I have a picture of it at home. I'll post it later tonight. If it doesn't clarify things, I'll call him and get the details.

I agree with the others - RV's and houses have copper plumbing... what's the deal with not being able to drink the water?

[Boyink]

If you're seriously interested in making one, I have a picture of it at home. I'll post it later tonight. If it doesn't clarify things, I'll call him and get the details.

Yea - I'd like to see it. This whole water tank / pump /shower thing wouldn't be that expensive if I can do the heat exchanger reasonably.

I'll drink the water...heck our house is all copper pipe. If we're going to get poisoned...it's happened already.

[tobert]

Make sure you use drinking water safe solder if you solder any joints at all.

Another tip: don't join copper directly with galvanized pipe. Found this out the hard way -- they react with each other and get messy very fast. What I did in my house was put a brass valve between the two.

[aldo]

Is it me, or did nobody suggest that the storage space might be better used for holding the NOS tank? ;-)

I would have thought it's the perfect place for a serious badass amplifier.

Can you get 12V sandwich toasters? Mmm, parking half way up a hill to grill me a nice cheese and ham toastie...

DVD storage?

I thought you Americans would have used the extra space for holding additional ammunition?

My missus suggests using it for a shoe rack...






sorry, i'm bored...

[mb82]

Can you get 12V sandwich toasters? Mmm, parking half way up a hill to grill me a nice cheese and ham toastie...

panini maker :D that would be good for on the trail.

[Boyink]

Is it me, or did nobody suggest that the storage space might be better used for holding the NOS tank? ;-)

I would have thought it's the perfect place for a serious badass amplifier.

Can you get 12V sandwich toasters? Mmm, parking half way up a hill to grill me a nice cheese and ham toastie...

DVD storage?

I thought you Americans would have used the extra space for holding additional ammunition?

My missus suggests using it for a shoe rack...

sorry, i'm bored...

NOS? :D

Amp? No radio for SSDutch - nothing to steal = no worries.

Sandwich Toaster? Already have OBS (On Board Stove):
http://www.boyink.com/Jeep/Images/CoolerRack4.jpg

Grilled cheese = no problem. Can even make tomato soup to go with that...;)

Shoe rack...big Dutch feet means I'd get about 2 pair in there...:D

Nope - pretty set on the fresh water tank. I think we'd actually use it while camping.

[blevisay]

I thought you Americans would have used the extra space for holding additional ammunition?


Just remember.

Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice.......ammo is cheap!

[m38willys]

Just remember.

Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice.......ammo is cheap!

Billy, I actually teach that at my school. several different ways of accomplishing it, but it is a proven technique...... ;)

[blevisay]

Billy, I actually teach that at my school. several different ways of accomplishing it, but it is a proven technique...... ;)


I am in South Florida.........That is just a way of life ;)

[66cj5]

j. c. whitney used to sell 12v pizza ovens. would go good w/retractable "beverage" dispensor......

:D

[screwcity]

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324151&highlight=heat+exchanger

if you are set on a fresh water tank and possibly a heat exchanger for a shower, this one here looks pretty neat, you could plumb the inlet and the outlet right there where the gas used to go in.

or you could just put the inlet for your storage tank, right there and tell people that you invented a new jeep that runs on water. fill it up with the hose, the first time the neighbor came out and you had the garden hose in the gas tank he would prolly pee himself.

just an idea.

Rio

[aldo]

Boyink,

Dutch looks well sorted, you've got more equipment hanging off the back of it that I have in my entire kitchen!!! When you add a shower to the little puppy they're'll be no need to ever return home. With a wireless network laptop you could roam the country and still keep us posted with your wisdom.

The water tank sounds like an awesome idea. Although it does strike me that you are running out of 'proper essential, my jeep wont go' kinda jobs, which frankly isn't in the spirit of this board!!! ;-) Perhaps you should accidentally sever a brake line while installing the tank, just to give yourself something to do...

Don't forget the pics.

BTW all of this talk of guns and ammo is really unnerving to us brits, we like to keep our violence and weapons on the soccer pitch where it belongs...

[Boyink]

Although it does strike me that you are running out of 'proper essential, my jeep wont go' kinda jobs, which frankly isn't in the spirit of this board!!! ;-) Perhaps you should accidentally sever a brake line while installing the tank, just to give yourself something to do...


Oh, really? :shock: :roll: Lesse...where's my list...

-Gotta finish up the w/s install - finally got wiper motor and switch all together.

- Waiting on new poly body mounts and stainless fastener kit to repair/replace all body mounts.

- Need to weld cracks by rear spring hangers

- Need to clean up and paint under-bed area before gas tank install..

- Just bought most of the parts I need to convert to Fuel Injection...

- Have springs and axles waiting to swap over...

- Have a power steering pump leak to figure out...

........ that enough for now?

:D :D

I just wanted to get ideas around this gas inlet area...so I can keep my eyes open for deals on the stuff I need....

[aldo]

Damn man, you ARE going to be busy!!!!

I take it all back, you do have s*&tloads of proper Jeep jobs to do. I had you up there as one of the elite few to have 'finished' their Jeeps...

"Would Mr Boyink please step down from the pedestal! You should not be up there at all sir..." :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

[Boyink]

'finished' their Jeeps...

Err...is that one of those obscure British phrases? I have no idea what those words mean in US English....

:D

It's been just over a year since I had a driveable Jeep. It's gonna be a bit yet, but I do intend to be driving SSDutch yet this summer.

[Hawk62cj5]

Winch remote storage. :D

[Boyink]

http://shop.helton.com.au/store/products/item14.inetstore

BTW - I forgot the exchange rates which are slightly in favor of the USD.

Total cost with shipping on their exchanger would be about $165...

[firegod33]

Attach a basket underneath it and use it as a toll booth. If anyone wants to pass, they have to pay! :D

[Xozenroze]

With all this talk of showers, I can't believe that any one hasn't thought to mention the badet. Just think who needs a shower when they are feeling nice and fresh. ;)

[blevisay]

With all this talk of showers, I can't believe that any one hasn't thought to mention the badet. Just think who needs a shower when they are feeling nice and fresh. ;)


Ya know..........Brilliant!

[John A. Shows]

What about using a new clean tank as a water tank. It'd just be water for the radiator and such but still having a water tank in case of overheating would be pretty cool. You could probably install an electric fuel pump with an on/off swith to pump the water out of the tank.


Do I get credit for the water tank idea?

[Boyink]

Do I get credit for the water tank idea?

Sure...